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PART I
The following is a summary of some of the events in Once Upon A Time In America,
which viewers may find puzzling.
Background
Sergio Leone wanted to make this film for many years after first reading the book the Hoods by Harry
Grey. Harry Grey (real name Harry Goldberg) was a real gangster and the book
claims to be an autobiography of his
early life. Grey has subsequently stated that the only thing he took liberties with in the book was
Max's death - Max did not die - they were still friends in later life.
Leone did not want to make a simple transfer of the book into a documentary type film but there were elements
in the book which fascinated him. Leone wanted to make a very special film - it's a story of love, betrayal
and guilt and also echoes what happens to gangsters who live to an old age - a bit like Grey in his old age.
Once Upon A Time In America has flaws - there were several scriptwriters, many pages of dialog and
action, last minute alterations, running out of time and money, the studio insisting upon cuts, which in
reality could not be implemented successfully. And Leone himself seemed to want to purposely add a degree
of ambiguity towards the end of the film.
Who were Eve's killers?
Max & the gang were getting more involved with the Combination, a criminal syndicate, who were not happy
that a betrayal by Noodles had led to unnecessary deaths and the loss of a booze shipment.
They gave a hit
contract to Beefy, Trigger and Mandy to take Noodles out. The book The Hoods goes into more detail.
Why did they kill Eve?
Eve was not intimidated by Beefy or Trigger. Who knows what she would have done if allowed to live?
Go to the
police - warn Noodles - if Noodles is murdered, point the police to his killers?
Why leave a complication
when it can easily be eradicated?
The bullet holes in the sheet seem a bit elaborate
There are three main possibilities:
1. It is for Eve's benefit
Beefy & Co do not know Eve very well. They want to shock her into giving the information they require.
Hence loosening the light bulb and making bullet holes in a sheet in the outline of a man.
It doesn't intimidate her.
2. It is for the audience's benefit
Leone is saying you have just seen the most boring opening titles I've ever come up with - the studio
wouldn't provide the money for the opening scenes I wanted or other directors borrowed my ideas - but
you'd better sit up and pay attention, what you are about to see is a very special film.
3. Left over prop from another scene
Jimmy (Treat Williams) - the union guy - is initially straight. He needs persuading to join forces with
Max & the gang. In the film this is done by the gang rescuing him from being set on fire in a tank of
petrol/gasoline.
In the early screenplay gangsters with tommy guns go into a room where Jimmy is lying on a bed.
The camera
shows the gunmen firing their tommy guns at the bed and the audience expects that they have shot Jimmy.
The
next scene shows Jimmy leaving the room totally unharmed and on the sheet there is the outline of Jimmy's
body made by bullets from the guns of the gangsters, who are experts at handling tommy guns.
Leone decided to cut this scene and use the petrol tank which I think was originally intended for the
capture of Noodles following the betrayal. However the sheet with the bullet holes was still available and
someone thought it was a good idea to use it in the Eve scene.
Viewers must decide which is the best interpretation or if it is a combination of all three.
Why didn't they kill Fat Moe, too?
Unlike Eve, Fat Moe was cooperative. Killing Fat Moe will not serve a useful purpose - he will probably not
go to the police. Clearly he did not kill Trigger and returning to Fat Moe's will increase the killers'
chances of being detected. His cooperation and information has been duly rewarded - if he ever becomes a
problem, the killers know where to find him.
If the Combination knew of Max's plan, why did they order a hit on Noodles who was simply doing what Max
wanted?
The Combine or The Combination is a criminal syndicate with whom Max and the gang is getting
more closely involved. Noodles and probably the other members of the gang are holding Max back so Max needs
to break away, taking with him the gang's assets. Max comes up with a plan to fake his own death.
The
Combination have contacts within the police and in the book Noodles actually gives his name to the police
when making his phone call. The police know it is Noodles. The sequence in the film is Noodles makes the
call, Max enters the room and returns the phone to its proper position, Max knocks out Noodles to stop him
going on the job. Max also knows Noodles has betrayed him.
There are 3 main possibilities:
1. The Combination did not know about the plan.
2. The plan was known to just one member of the Combination.
3. Everyone in the Combination knew about the plan.
No 1 - Noodles' betrayal has cost lives and money - of course the Combination will take out a contract on
him.
No 2 - If the head of the Combination knows about the plan but does not take out a contract on Noodles,
other members of the combination will become suspicious invalidating the plan.
No 3 is unlikely - for the plan to be successful, the fewer people who knew the better.
Max went to the West Coast where he married a wealthy woman etc. It is not stated
if he took up a position there with the Combination or another criminal organization.
Why does Bugsy hate Max?
Max realizes that, if he and the gang are to be successful, he has to get rid of Bugsy. He tells the police
of a job Bugsy is engaged upon. Bugsy is carted off to jail whilst Max watches (deleted scene).
Bugsy knows
Max ratted on him and when he comes out of jail, he seeks revenge, resulting in the death of Dominic.
PART II
Do Fat Moe and the rest know that Noodles raped Deborah?
There is certainly an atmosphere when Noodles joins them for coffee. Normally Fat Moe would be all over
Noodles but Noodles has to ask Fat Moe for coffee, which Noodles takes an age to stir.
It's reported that
this part of the scene was invented by De Niro as an homage to Leone.
Noodles eyes Fat Moe cautiously and his look almost says "I hope he doesn't stab me with those scissors".
Again it's down to the viewer to interpret - the gang were of course aware that Noodles had a date with
Deborah. They were probably aware that the date went wrong - hopefully they were spared all the details.
In the book the rape is not fully completed. As Noodles is ripping Deborah's clothes off, the taxi stops
suddenly throwing them both to the floor of the vehicle. The taxi driver says “For Christ sake, let up.
You want to kill the girl? You want to get us arrested?”
The coffee stirring scene also introduces the audience to Max's throne. In Sir Christopher Frayling's
book Something To Do With Death, Frayling hints that the idea of the throne may have been invented
by Leone. This is incorrect. The throne is the book The Hoods - chapter 44 p.420.
"...a throne, a royal relic of some sort. I examined it more closely. The keynote of the carved design
was the royal flag of Rumania which appeared among icons and all sorts of royal insignia and armorial
bearings.
“It used to belong to a baron, an old time Rumanian baron, hundreds of years ago.” I repeated, “How did you
get it?” “How I got it?” Max asked with a superior smile. “How do I get everything I want? By the muscle...
Was it possible that excesses with a degenerate woman could weaken a man mentally? I had heard a man could
develop softening of the brain by that sort of perversion. And was this thronelike chair one of the
manifestations of his delusions of grandeur?"
The throne gets a slightly different treatment in the film:
NOODLES
What's this?
MAX
It's a throne. It was a gift to a pope. Cost me 800 bucks.
CAROL
It's from the 17th century.
NOODLES
So, what are you doing with it?
MAX
The throne is one of the first signs that Max is losing it / becoming a megalomaniac.
I'm sitting on it.
Age cannot wither Deborah? - "It's like the play was written for you".
I've never had a problem with this scene but some people don't like the way Deborah doesn't seem to have
aged. Deborah never fully removes her make up but there are wrinkles on her upper eyelids and around her
eyes. Some people think that Leone has deliberately not aged Deborah because the camera is seeing Deborah
as Noodles remembers her but I don't think we need to stretch our imagination this far. There are plenty
of actresses in their late 50's who look just as good if not better than they did in their 20's.
At the party at Bailey's mansion, many wrinkles are visible. As one would expect Deborah is still good
looking.
Why would Deborah ever willingly hook up with Mr Bailey?
Mr Bailey is a multi millionaire, with valuable assets, a grand mansion and a son. I've no problem with this
whatsoever. Deborah probably isn't madly in love with Bailey but as we get older other factors such as
comfort and security become more important.
Secretary Bailey's identity not known to Fat Moe, Carol, Noodles etc?
In my opinion this is the one major flaw in the movie. It is reported that De Niro who at the time was very
thorough had some heated discussions with Leone on some aspects of the film. We will probably never know
exactly how Leone felt - all we are certain of is that in the screenplay Max was a "Senator". A Senator
whom no-one had seen? This was thought to be implausible and his position was scaled down to a Secretary -
it's still not really scaled down enough.
Garbage Truck
Leone obviously wanted to keep this ambiguous. The pages relating to it in the screenplay are missing and
an actor other than James Woods was hired to play the scene. Leone's reasons are not known but it does start
the audience to think about the movie, talk about it and view on more than occasion. "Did I die in the
garbage truck?" is said to be the most frequent question James Woods is asked and even he doesn't know.
Woods says that Leone's comment was "It's like Jimmy Hoffa. We know but we don't know but we know." And
Woods adds "There's one thing we know. He won't be coming to dinner tomorrow night."
Obviously Secretary Bailey's past is being investigated and he knew that he would be killed to stop him
implicating others. He had the option of committing suicide (further details in a deleted scene) in which
case some of his wealth may be retained, his reputation may remain intact and there may be less impact on
Deborah and his son David. He thinks that Noodles might hate him for stealing his money, his girl and
giving him 35 years of grief. Max thinks he has a debt with Noodles which he wants to settle and this
will even the score. He would much prefer his former friend Noodles to kill him rather than suicide or
an anonymous hit man, hence the plan. Another possibility is that Max dupes Noodles again. He fakes
his death for the third time, Noodles is a witness and Max embarks upon another adventure. Unlikely but
possible.
Smile
Some people read a lot into this scene. I don't. Noodles has seen the results of his betrayal, the death
of his friends and goes to the opium den for solace. He lies down, inhales the opium and the smile comes
almost immediately. There is insufficient time for him to think deeply about the past or dream of future
events. It is a stupid smile induced by the drug. Simply a suitable iconic image or a reinforcement of
the "this will make you think" idea of the garbage truck - some say it echoes a similar scene with Jill
in Once Upon A Time In The West.
Two more questions:
2) Why is Noodles treating Fat Moe badly, when they meet after decades? Shouldn't he be happy to see an
old friend after all these years?
1) How can it be, that Fat Moe's not in touch with his sister? And how come, he's doing worse than ever, while
his sister is rich?
1) For a brother and sister they never seemed particularly close - I think Deborah saw herself a different class to her brother. Fat Moe seemed to have limited ambitions and enthusiasm - he was never part of the gang - he probably was reasonably happy following in his father's footsteps and eking out a living. Perhaps he wasn't a very good businessman - perhaps the ending of prohibition ruined trade.
2) Noodles & Fat Moe have almost a master servant relationship. In Noodles mind he isn't treating Fat Moe
badly, he doesn't know any other way to interact with Fat Moe.
It's a pity De Niro wasn't as candid in interviews as Woods - I'd love to know how he internalized for the character. At the time his preparation for roles was reported to be very thorough - the only thing we tend to hear is that he tried to get a meeting with Meyer Lansky but was unsuccessful.
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